tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post1422385035012234012..comments2023-06-07T09:12:00.141-06:00Comments on Mountains and Water: Concerning that Joe K videoPeter Bealhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-34923050129120462012008-03-28T16:01:00.000-06:002008-03-28T16:01:00.000-06:001 but maybe 2 years seems appropriate at the upper...1 but maybe 2 years seems appropriate at the upper echelon. After having established a few routes in WV and CA, mad respect should be given and Joe's gripes shouldn't have been aired so publicly or directly at Andy.chufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872311301653052871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-24145853389268243502008-03-28T12:02:00.000-06:002008-03-28T12:02:00.000-06:00I would probably extend the closing period to two ...I would probably extend the closing period to two climbing seasons max--at that point you probably know if you bit off more than you can chew. If you have chipped or otherwise manipulated the climb to suit you, the tag immediately comes off, which was the case with Primeval in Clear Creek.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-23244767657021187482008-03-28T11:56:00.000-06:002008-03-28T11:56:00.000-06:00UH OH...somebody call the whaambulance.UH OH...somebody call the whaambulance.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07177435319587358717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-37184063367397238712008-03-28T10:12:00.000-06:002008-03-28T10:12:00.000-06:00I think the bottom line in this specific case is t...I think the bottom line in this specific case is this:<BR/><BR/>Had Andy not done the work to bolt the route in question, there wouldn't even be a closed project for Joe to gripe about.Climbing Narcissisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786224850442761810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-77951825194193361312008-03-28T09:51:00.000-06:002008-03-28T09:51:00.000-06:00i do believe there should be a statute of limitati...i do believe there should be a statute of limitations with respect to a closed project, whether by rope or not. one year seems resonable. if a route, subsequent efforts that yield the FA should involve re-payment of the equipment cost, including any fixed gear and bits burned out.<BR/><BR/>the sweat equity of the bolting party was his or her gift to the climbing community and the cost of the hands-off status for one fiscal year.<BR/><BR/>perhaps every red tag should have bolting date and the cost of equipement posted. full disclosure. if you want to buy in for the FA, then be ready to ante up.<BR/><BR/>that's my two cents.sock handshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103118066270568484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-29237482664764652992008-03-28T09:41:00.000-06:002008-03-28T09:41:00.000-06:00good thing there are no more bouldering projects a...good thing there are no more bouldering projects around anymore so that we don't need to worry about these 'issues'...<BR/><BR/>but, if you happen to see someone with dementia chained to a rock anywhere in the frontrange, be sure that my red tag has been placed.... RESPECT MY PROJECTS !!!sock handshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103118066270568484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-5384947691827141512008-03-28T05:21:00.000-06:002008-03-28T05:21:00.000-06:00there was also the issue of when kinder repeated K...there was also the issue of when kinder repeated Kuru and the first things he had to say was how it was "40% manufactured" like that was something Andy had anything to do with.Climbing Narcissisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786224850442761810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-63172748978959433382008-03-27T23:42:00.000-06:002008-03-27T23:42:00.000-06:00I still trying to figure out "degressive" myself.I still trying to figure out "degressive" myself.chufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872311301653052871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-1443355181681240712008-03-27T21:52:00.000-06:002008-03-27T21:52:00.000-06:00I read Joe's comments and they are pretty weak. Wh...I read Joe's comments and they are pretty weak. Whatever "degressive" means, I doubt that Andy asking others to hold off while he finishes a personal goal is going to hurt the sport too much. While Joe and Dave were bumming about the rain in the RRG, Andy was going to classes at Metro State and working at the Spot.<BR/><BR/>Dave especially had Ward Smith do most of the heavy lifting at Rumney. Heck,I installed a bolt at the Primo Wall at Joe's request. Making it sound like Andy's being selfish is total BS.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-30656655296952932032008-03-27T21:11:00.000-06:002008-03-27T21:11:00.000-06:00I should add that's Andy Raether I'm talking about...I should add that's Andy Raether I'm talking about.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-38679976514160609452008-03-27T18:44:00.000-06:002008-03-27T18:44:00.000-06:00He had more to say about it on his blogsite too if...He had more to say about it on his blogsite too if you don't mind reading 1 long paragraph.<BR/><BR/>Key quote: "Closed projects were, and still are something we feel is degressive for rock climbing."<BR/><BR/>http://www.joekindkid.com/?p=405<BR/><BR/>I think the huge amount of time, effort and money required to develop a hard new route has to be one of the major factors why there are not more.Climbing Narcissisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08786224850442761810noreply@blogger.com