tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post420105923317690601..comments2023-06-07T09:12:00.141-06:00Comments on Mountains and Water: Falcon and Horan ContinuedPeter Bealhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-47703350641228366602008-10-08T08:03:00.000-06:002008-10-08T08:03:00.000-06:00have you guys listened to his podcast on FRB? I re...have you guys listened to his podcast on FRB? I rest my case. jemersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-78928249783203204272008-10-06T22:46:00.000-06:002008-10-06T22:46:00.000-06:00I am still waiting for a review copy and will give...I am still waiting for a review copy and will give my thoughts on the book. A posting on Allclimbing.com gives some perspective on the book signing.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-17326062888924980282008-10-06T22:22:00.000-06:002008-10-06T22:22:00.000-06:00nice socky!I reviewed the book in detail the other...nice socky!<BR/><BR/>I reviewed the book in detail the other day at Neptune's. The turds that work there couldn't figure out why I was laughing so much.chufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872311301653052871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-79871946706928808742008-10-06T15:40:00.000-06:002008-10-06T15:40:00.000-06:00though a moot point now, i'd like to point out tha...though a moot point now, i'd like to point out that i listened to every word of the calm exchanges between cameron and bob at evans that day. bob had clearly said that he had received an ok from the evans rangers, which is certainly false.<BR/><BR/>after bob's reaction to concerns over his guide, i certainly will not volunteer information to him or falcon to fix the errors without compensation, which itself could be donated to the access fund or similar. they burn bridges, then ask for handouts; i laugh, then say no.<BR/><BR/>if the errors and omissions are minor, i certainly will enter the field of guidebook authorship.<BR/><BR/>an excerpt from my 'manuscript':<BR/><BR/>the flatirons: go up there, see some chalk, those are the problems, enjoy!<BR/><BR/>that's where the bar is set and i can handle it. <BR/><BR/>oops, forgot the 85 photos of myself for that section!<BR/><BR/>oh nooz!sock handshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103118066270568484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-60316376797026031742008-09-30T14:55:00.000-06:002008-09-30T14:55:00.000-06:00Here is Bob's latest response:"Thanks so much for ...Here is Bob's latest response:<BR/><BR/>"Thanks so much for divulging the information that you and your crew have kept somewhat seclusive for so long. I find it interesting, how on your website, B3, you describe your finding these pristine gems of rock and your modus operendi for setting your course upon them. Sounds like a real" leave no trace" agenda. Your record of state of the art ascents has been obvious to me as I watched the boulders change over the years. Ten years ago, when you were just starting out on your bouldering quest, I was finishing the manuscript for my 5th bouldering guide better know as "Best of Boulder Bouldering". When I complied the info for Mount Evans and Rocky Mountain, I chose to keep the descriptions brief, and expose very little in comparison to what I could tell had been done, or that you claim to have developed. When editing the manuscript which was much larger at the time their were a few discrepencies and it is obvious to those of us you know the areas. I find them quite minor and will not affect you state of the arters, and certainly not affect those new learners who could careless about the elitist boulderer.<BR/><BR/>Also Mr. B3 makes many false claims as to what transpired when I met the NC3 up at Mount Evans, I had said that we sent the manuscript to the rangers at Rocky Mountain National Park, which we did and it was okayed. I also told the NC3 that the book had been sent to be printed back in May, Mr. NC3 deceived the rangers at Mount Evans saying that it had not yet been printed. B3's comments sound more on the verge of maniac and his righteous claims of who and what makes a good guide book ambiguous. Maybe he should write a book since he is so knowing of how they should be done."<BR/><BR/>I think I would be hesitant in working with such a writer if I were a book editor/publisher and not just because of the spelling errors.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-57330643787398905592008-09-30T14:18:00.000-06:002008-09-30T14:18:00.000-06:00I should also add that my conversation this mornin...I should also add that my conversation this morning with Max Phelps was very cordial. I suspect that Falcon trusted Bob with this one and that they are now trying to figure out what to do next. Interestingly Max mentioned that John Gill spoke favorably of the guide. With all due respect to John Gill, he might not have been the best choice for endorsing the project.<BR/><BR/>Regarding the Neptune event, I will simply not go. I feel this book is not something worth making a public scene about at this point. Letting Neptune know about the problems with the book seems appropriate but confronting Bob is not going to solve anything.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-16175227777253727332008-09-30T13:02:00.000-06:002008-09-30T13:02:00.000-06:00my head is going to explode, please visit falcon.c...my head is going to explode, please visit falcon.com and read bobs response<BR/>jemersonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-6409182164298865452008-09-30T12:22:00.000-06:002008-09-30T12:22:00.000-06:00any thoughts on showing up at his slideshow this t...any thoughts on showing up at his slideshow this thursday or is it a mute point jamieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-6962410801555452432008-09-30T10:06:00.000-06:002008-09-30T10:06:00.000-06:00I agree that the book is fatally flawed. However i...I agree that the book is fatally flawed. However if some reviewers point out in specific detail to the publishers exactly, Falcon may better understand why it needs to withdraw itPeter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-19706043474827520632008-09-30T09:45:00.000-06:002008-09-30T09:45:00.000-06:00I have seen the book and reviewed it briefly.To sa...I have seen the book and reviewed it briefly.<BR/><BR/>To say this book is riddled with errors is an understatement on the grandest of scales. His defensive statements about bouldering at the areas around Mount Evans might lead the uninformed to believe he actually did some of THE problems.<BR/><BR/>Helping Bob or Falcon improve this book is not somthing I can condone. Possibly assisting Fred and Philip with their book is something I can live with.<BR/><BR/>No book is perfect, but there are errors of every shape and kind (if not multiple errors) on EVERY page of that stupid guide.chufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07872311301653052871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-55242182705448281282008-09-30T08:31:00.000-06:002008-09-30T08:31:00.000-06:00I agree. It seems strange that Bob is not address...I agree. It seems strange that Bob is not addressing the main problem with the book. You can argue about who named what boulder when, but he still hasn't stated why he thinks it is OK to include details for climbing on private property.Narchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05672473828410638976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-88819564566438537432008-09-30T08:05:00.000-06:002008-09-30T08:05:00.000-06:00I did talk with Max Phelps this morning and he off...I did talk with Max Phelps this morning and he offered to send a review copy. I will be looking over the book closely and forwarding my comments as well as suggesting other reviewers to contact for information.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.com