tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post5600678113750804653..comments2023-06-07T09:12:00.141-06:00Comments on Mountains and Water: Between the Trees: A ReviewPeter Bealhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-546194325498573322009-12-03T10:30:00.021-07:002009-12-03T10:30:00.021-07:00from Oldguy
"As our joints creak, certain so...from Oldguy <br />"As our joints creak, certain sounds are but memories, and days gone by are certainly more numerous than days to come, we create a "golden age" that only we can understand because it never really was. Give us this and we might forgive you for being young and strong and without perspective on being us."<br /><br />Superbly and beautifully put. Thank you. I feel I am somewhere between the two states you describe, no longer young, not quite old. In defining where the "Golden Age" is, perhaps JM Barrie put it best, "Second to the right and straight on till morning."Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-30762611569320171412009-12-03T10:20:46.717-07:002009-12-03T10:20:46.717-07:00As our joints creak, certain sounds are but memori...As our joints creak, certain sounds are but memories, and days gone by are certainly more numerous than days to come, we create a "golden age" that olny we can understand because it never really was. Give us this and we might forgive you for being young and strong and without perspective on being us.<br />_an old guyoldguynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-40408723233751236582009-11-19T22:17:57.350-07:002009-11-19T22:17:57.350-07:00Indeed.Indeed.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-37981798555181001952009-11-19T22:07:05.957-07:002009-11-19T22:07:05.957-07:00"to approach the essence is to approach the g..."to approach the essence is to approach the general"<br /><br />oh...I understand perfectly now...glad we sorted that one out...<br /><br />What utter gibberishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-39154875436240288722009-11-19T20:22:12.720-07:002009-11-19T20:22:12.720-07:00"The issue is not whether I know your name; i..."The issue is not whether I know your name; it's whether you feel strongly enough about what you say to have the courage to use your own name."<br /><br />Which you have no way of confirming anyway. Might want to consult with Plato a little more on that logic thing...<br /><br />"If you really want to understand climbing then go bouldering. Everything else in climbing stems from it and gains in particularity as it drifts away from its essence."<br /><br />Yet you flinch at naming a movie of it as such, become defensive towards anyone who does so, and are demonstrably incapable of forming logical rationale for either impulse. Interesting. Must be awful to be so into something, have so many strongly held misconceptions about it, and flail so pretentiously and embarrassingly when asked for a simple explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-74548525687715549492009-11-19T15:59:09.917-07:002009-11-19T15:59:09.917-07:00Re: posting anonymously. The issue is not whether ...Re: posting anonymously. The issue is not whether I know your name; it's whether you feel strongly enough about what you say to have the courage to use your own name. I have yet to see a single anonymous poster come back and attach a name to their post. BTW, I publish all comments positive and negative, anonymous or not, and occasionally edit for length or profanity as I see fit. The exception is the obvious irrelevant personal attack. That you can do on your own blog.<br /><br />Coming back to the issue of terminology. Let's unpack the paragraph slowly.<br /><br />>>And again, why not just call it a bouldering movie? Because you can't find sufficient grounds for defending your stated position? <br /><br />I think I made it clear enough already. Here's a syllogism for you.<br /><br /><br />1. A film documents an activity of some kind through moving pictures. <br /><br />2.Bouldering is an activity that is a form of climbing.<br /><br />3.A film focusing on a form of climbing is by definition a climbing film. QED<br /><br />>>If boudering is the essence of climbing then why not just call it bouldering? <br /><br />Do you mean I should call all forms of climbing bouldering? Are you referring to the film again? The point is that climbing is the act that all the sub-disciplines have in common. Hence this film is not "just" about bouldering. Here's another syllogism.<br /><br />1. The essence of something is its purest form.<br /><br />2. Bouldering is a form of climbing rocks that requires nothing beyond a climber and a climb<br /><br />3. Bouldering is the purest form of climbing rocks and hence its essence. QED<br /><br /><br />>>Why describe the essence of something in general terms if it really is the essence?<br /><br />Well this is verging on the metaphysical but I will have a go. The essence of something is necessarily abstracted from the particular circumstances of its phenomenal existence. To approach the essence is to approach the general. I would defer to Plato on this one with his theory of the Forms. From my viewpoint, the Form or Idea of climbing is best apprehended in terms of bouldering. If you really want to understand climbing (see syllogism 2 above) then go bouldering. Everything else in climbing stems from it and gains in particularity as it drifts away from its essence.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-37738715626778125622009-11-19T15:17:51.467-07:002009-11-19T15:17:51.467-07:00What difference does a name make in determining if...What difference does a name make in determining if someone is posting anonymously? How do you know if they're using their real name? And again, why not just call it a bouldering movie? Because you can't find sufficient grounds for defending your stated position? If boudering is the essence of climbing then why not just call it bouldering? Why describe the essence of something in general terms if it really is the essence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-67754754811200021922009-11-19T14:00:04.745-07:002009-11-19T14:00:04.745-07:00Why do I attack people who disagree with what I sa...Why do I attack people who disagree with what I say? Besides the fact that I can't really attack an anonymous poster anyway, I find that some readers interpret disagreement as attack, especially when they can't find sufficient grounds for defending their stated positions. Anonymity generally speaks for itself in these situations. Feel free to argue your point "in person." <br /><br />To get back to the main premise, I call BTT a climbing film,because, as Ben Moon noted a long time ago, "bouldering is the essence of climbing." I agree with this statement. Characterizing the film I reviewed as comparable to snorkeling versus scuba is a misleading analogy in my view so I will argue the point.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-21341086739711251202009-11-19T13:07:48.814-07:002009-11-19T13:07:48.814-07:00Peter,
Why is it that every time someone disagrees...Peter,<br />Why is it that every time someone disagrees with you or makes a point you don't approve of you attack them? I am betting this post will be followed by much of the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-49272703990516940562009-11-19T12:52:01.788-07:002009-11-19T12:52:01.788-07:00Again, why not just call it what it is, a boulderi...Again, why not just call it what it is, a bouldering movie? What's the problem with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-69461314888257146252009-11-19T08:34:30.767-07:002009-11-19T08:34:30.767-07:00Sure it's a bouldering movie. Does that make i...Sure it's a bouldering movie. Does that make it not a climbing movie as well? Or does that start at 5 meters off the deck?Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-74246882893973816182009-11-19T07:29:24.352-07:002009-11-19T07:29:24.352-07:00Not sure what you mean by "my own definition&...Not sure what you mean by "my own definition"...if this not a bouldering movie than what is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-56742036251982230042009-11-19T06:40:53.705-07:002009-11-19T06:40:53.705-07:00Hi Anonymous,
You may have your own definitions of...Hi Anonymous,<br />You may have your own definitions of what "climbing" and "climbing film" consists of and that's fine. However, from both the tone and substance of your comment, you neither understand nor would care to understand what this film was about. So don't watch it and don't worry about what you're missing.Peter Bealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576690594320743452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-35381568641214963762009-11-18T21:14:17.827-07:002009-11-18T21:14:17.827-07:00Saying that this bouldering movie, consisting of f...Saying that this bouldering movie, consisting of footage shot at ground level of people who are never more than 4 meters off the deck, is "the best climbing film in recent memory" is like saying that a snorkeling movie, shot from the boat and without any underwater footage, is the best scuba movie. It probably is the best bouldering movie of recent years (a backhanded compliment at best considering the competition), but really...why not just call it what it is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-29238211206633275852009-11-18T13:43:28.512-07:002009-11-18T13:43:28.512-07:00Claiming that a bouldering movie, shot at ground l...Claiming that a bouldering movie, shot at ground level, is "the best climbing movie of recent years", is like claiming that a movie about snorkeling, shot from the boat without underwater cameras/footage, is the best scuba movie. It probably is the best bouldering feature - wouldn't doubt it having seen L'etranger - but there's no way this is a climbing movie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-15145889355037316532009-11-18T11:11:54.672-07:002009-11-18T11:11:54.672-07:00Best climbing movie I've ever seen. You refer...Best climbing movie I've ever seen. You reference some older films which you feel are on par. I only started climbing about 2 years ago and other than this I have really only been exposed to "Big Up" style films. I was wondering if you have any recommendations. I really enjoyed the review. Thanks. <br /> And I also wanted to let you know I appreciate your role in the climbing community. I think Deadpoint is being rather insensitive and short sighted. Keep up the good work. It is people like yourself who, through rational dialogue and personal achievement, really help the sport grow. It is mature people who are able to do more than one thing (ie. climbing) that are the pillars of our sport.<br /><br />Cheers<br />MattMattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-46511767827673931582009-11-17T19:29:07.814-07:002009-11-17T19:29:07.814-07:00Great review. I can't wait til my copy comes i...Great review. I can't wait til my copy comes in the mail! I wish there were more climbing movies made like this.domhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06039057718429543912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-92033409112507743102009-11-17T12:42:36.612-07:002009-11-17T12:42:36.612-07:00Great review Peter. Everything I've seen and ...Great review Peter. Everything I've seen and read makes me really want to see this movie!Doug Lipinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03842965734313245299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4790818505250918302.post-36616239381937757232009-11-17T11:23:37.599-07:002009-11-17T11:23:37.599-07:00I couldn't have said it better, kudos to you a...I couldn't have said it better, kudos to you and Keith.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08525632791476548995noreply@blogger.com